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№0 ☆☆☆Effie2004-03-25 17:48:48留言☆☆☆ 


关于《只是当时》的突发奇想
蓝大,你这篇RPS在fans中影响如此之大,有没有考虑出英文版呢?看了《只是当时》后特意去网上搜了一些英文RPS来读,绝对是曾经沧海难为水,根本达不到看《只》时的撼动,当时就想说要是《只》翻成英文,岂不也是震倒一片国际同人女的说?!奇文共欣赏,怎样,大人考虑一下?

☆☆☆Kirsten于2004-03-18 12:10:54留言☆☆☆??
如果蓝大肯用英文再写过的话,
一定会是篇"same...yet different"的《只是当时》,
两种语言语气上的细微差异,和许许多多各自独有的表达方式,往往会给文章的整体风格带来很微妙的改变。如果由别人翻成英文的话恐怕有些感觉会“Lost in Translation”,但是若是蓝大亲自动笔的话,不仅不会如此,恐怕还会因语言的转换而更添一番滋味呢!
真想看那……不过可不是件小工程呀^^ 别的且不说,这标题要怎么写呢?
说起来,蓝大什么时候有时间把文中那个电影剧本翻成英文再扩展一下好不好?很想把它推荐给目前的Boss,拿中国人的智慧才气震震他(比他之前用的剧本强N倍!),可惜纵有千般好处,嘴拙说不出。。。

☆☆☆Y于2004-03-18 14:23:03留言☆☆☆??
真的,<北京故事>已经有人翻译成英文了,如果只是当时也能翻译就好了.只是我也很担心,原文的语言风格可比<北京故事>的白描手法难译多了

☆☆☆wildflower于2004-03-18 16:04:16留言☆☆☆??
恩,有很多中文表达是只可意会不可言传的。而且蓝还是从一个国人的角度写西人,只怕西人完全不认同这样的情节和性格。

☆☆☆clover于2004-03-19 00:02:14留言☆☆☆
恐怕翻译成英文也就在同人圈子里流传, 毕竟是真人同人. 不过即使如此, 也自成经典吧.

☆☆☆yachen于2004-03-19 04:20:32留言☆☆☆
哈!正想着要发贴建议翻译《只是当时》,有人就已经先提出来了:P
蓝大你真的考虑考虑吧,我感觉你这部作品的用语习惯本身就比较西化,翻起来可能不会造成多大的扭曲。想想世界上将有更多的同好能有机会读到这部优秀的作品,这是多大的贡献啊!哈哈!我目前看过的国外RPS还没一部能超过你这部呢。
想想看要是魔戒剧组成员看到。。。哇~偶流鼻血了~=_=~~不过至少伊安说过有兴趣读魔戒slash~我觉得你的作品会让他们感动的

☆☆☆piacere于2004-03-20 05:52:29留言☆☆☆
偶今天更抽风的想到,《对影成三》再写下去不就和《只是当时》接上了~~~会吗?不会吧!!

☆☆☆mursili于2004-03-21 01:36:57留言☆☆☆
№1 ☆☆☆Effie2004-03-25 17:55:16留言☆☆☆  引用


《特洛伊》评论+焦点问题回答
这是我看见到过的评论中最有理有据。通过后面的回答也可以得到很多影片信息。
对那些不是充满了因为嫉妒而无缘由的谩骂,就是对哪个演员的身子流口水的评论,当然还有国内还不知道影片到底讲的是什么就不负责任胡说的所谓专业媒体,已经厌倦了,看些脑子清楚的人写的东西吧。
请注意:这也是观众的声音,而她提到谁比较多也能反映观众的想法。
稍后我会贴出剧情的具体介绍,包括详细场战斗场景描述、细节、结局、一些对话等,她家看后自己分析吧,不要为他人的话左右想法,产生怀疑。
writen by??jsclark86(一位美国女士)
??????????《特洛伊》评论
????2004年3月10日,星期三,我十分幸运的第一次看到了《特洛伊》。我首先要说的是我必须说这是一部特别精彩的电影,Orlando在电影中看起来太棒了!(Eric Bana 和 Brad Pitt 看起来也不错)而且这是我看到过的他最好的表演。
????电影刚一开始就很快进入了故事。他告诉观众斯巴达的背景和他们攻击特洛伊的其他原因(除去那个显而易见的原因)。电影进行得十分流畅,音乐也配合得天衣无缝敗9适赂嗟募性诎⒖α鹚股砩希挥刑喙赜谔芈逡恋那榻冢遣挥玫P模晾锼乖诘缬爸姓嫉钠戎暗脑じ嫫卸嗔撕芏唷:湛送卸桶⒖α鹚沽饺说恼蕉肥俏壹淖罹实恼蕉烦∶妫迸晾锼购退拱痛锿鮉enelaus的战斗也很有可看性。Orlando向莱戈拉斯那样射出了一些箭,而且仍然是百发百中。
????关于裸露的部分,Brad比Orlando多得多。Orlando看起来已经足够好不用再展示什么。而Brad的□□的背部有几次被展示,Diane(海伦)展现了腰以上部分的裸体,但只有半秒的时间。
????总之,《特洛伊》这部电影是极优秀的,故事讲述得很完美,演员的表演也极为接触。
????我仍然期待这部电影,虽然我已经看过了.
下面是问答

问答:(Q:问题,A:回答)
Q:帕里斯和海伦love scene ...是在床上吗?
A:遗憾得告诉你,没有love scene他们是裸体的,仅此而已,他们交谈,帕里斯给了海伦一条项链。我不认为有任何furs on bed。
Q:你提到这是Orlando至今为止最好的表演,能详细阐述一下吗?
A:我认为帕里斯与Menelaus战斗的那场戏是整部电影中最好的一幕:帕里斯爬向赫克托尔,他眼中的恐惧太强烈了。
Q:演员头发上的别针是干什么用的?
A:那只是装饰,赫克托尔也有。
Q:什么?,没有床戏?No making out like weasels in heat?!Rats!(这两句我是不会翻译,那位大人指点一二,多些!)
?? 另一个问题,帕里斯在电影中有多讨人喜欢?我推测一开始他看上去似乎很不讨人喜欢,但是似乎随着情节的发展,观众会对他产生一些同情,至少这是我从一些试映评论中得到的印象。
A:一开始,帕里斯不是很讨人喜欢,因为他从Menelaus那里偷走的海伦。之后,在与Menelaus一战中,他表现得像个胆小鬼。但是到了最后,他为自己赎罪了,他参与了更多的战斗。
?? Menelaus不同情帕里斯,因为他偷走了海伦。但观众在意识到帕里斯有多么爱海伦时,并且看到他被Menelaus击败的事实后,确实开始喜欢他了。
Q:我们能看到帕里斯洗澡的场面吗?
A:不,很不幸我们看不到。
Q:我希望知道《特洛伊》感觉像不像一部史诗般的电影?他看起来像是被称为经典的电影吗?
A:它将被看作史诗般的电影,但他讲述了一个完整的故事,电影主要讲述了阿喀琉斯一生的经历。我必须说这不会成为经典,应为其中的演员:他们现在还不是好莱坞真正的大明星,我承认Orlando是现在最热的明星,Brad Pitt也是知名的演员,但是他们现在还没有被认为是好莱坞中的重量级演员。让我们期待中情况在将来会有所改变。
Q:帕里斯没有死是吗?我在一些照片中看到他被剑刺中倒在地上,他是死了还是只是受伤了?
A:帕里斯在电影中没有死,他被Menelaus伤得很重,但是没有死。
Q:你太幸运了!你能来这里告诉我们这些真是太感谢了。你提到的那部分Orlando最好的表演场面使我早猜到会是的。我认为我会在为他感到遗憾的同时反感他——我已经迫不及待去看这部电影了。我的问题:你是怎么看到《特洛伊》的试映的?
A:一周前,我再影院中看《Hidalgo》(同样是部好电影)(注:Viggo主演《沙漠神驹》)我出去买些吃的,然后我看见一个女人正在发小传单,是关于一次秘密试映的,于是,我拿了一份,上面有电影的描述,但是没说名字,以防有人对电影存有偏见,他被叫做R.S.V.P.,上面说3月10日6点放映,我却了,幸运的是那是《特洛伊》
Q:太酷了!你需要付钱吗?
A:不,那是免费的。我一分钱都不用付。
Q:如果你定级,你回定什么级?
A:我将定为R级,他在R级和PG-13级的边界线上。如果一些场景被剪掉(即:阿喀琉斯和Briseis一起的镜头和一些战斗场面),他将使PG-13,但是我认为他们不会剪掉任何场景,他们只需要使电影引人注目。
Q:预告片中的镜头会出现在电影中吗?
A:是的,全部你看到的都会出现在影片中。
Q:结束与Menelaus的战斗后,有帕里斯和海伦在一起的镜头吗?(照顾他受伤的爱人)?
A:很不幸,没有,尽管我希望有。
Q:我们能看到阿喀琉斯杀死赫克托尔后,拖着他的尸体行进的场面吗?
A:是的,有这个场面。阿喀琉斯十分愤怒,应为赫克托尔啥了他的表弟Pariclus,所以他与赫克托尔战斗,杀了他,并且将他的尸体拖回了帐篷。

Q:你看到特洛以往Priam向斯巴达王Menelaus请求归他儿子的尸体的场景吗?
A:是的,电影中有这个情结。但是发生在特洛伊王和阿喀琉斯之间,而不是Menelaus(因为他已经被赫克托尔杀死了)特洛伊王偷偷潜入阿喀琉斯的帐篷,请求他归还儿子的议题。阿喀琉斯犹豫了一下,终于还是给了他,在归还之前,阿喀琉斯对着尸体流泪了(也许是因为对被他杀死的所有人的内疚和遗憾),之后,他承诺特洛伊将有12天的和平来举行葬礼,在后来,特洛伊木马被造了出来,剩下的事大家就都知道了。
Q:你提到的海伦以脱下衣服作为回答的场景中,她是否完全□□?还是没有继续拍她,或是她里面还穿着什么东西?
A:在那个场景中,海伦的胸部没有被拍到,但在另一个场景中能看到。
Q:我必须承认我糊涂了,Menelaus被赫克托尔杀了?离我看关于特洛伊战争的神话有一段时间了,但我发誓我记得在战争最后,Menelaus还活着,海伦以她的诱惑力,又回到了他的身边,最后他们一起回到了斯巴达。
A:你没有糊涂,Benioff改编中最重大的变化就是Menelaus被赫克托尔杀了。在神话史诗中,海伦在Philocentes杀斯帕里斯后确实回到了斯巴达。但在电影中,海伦、赫克托尔的妻子、帕里斯和其他一些人都通过一系列地下通道掏出了特洛伊城。影片没有交待他们去哪了,他们只是逃了出来。我知道的只是帕里斯和海伦仍然在一起,他们仍旧相爱,并且和其他人一起从地道逃走了。电影结束在特洛伊被攻陷,并没有说之后的事。
Q:赫克托尔死的时候,帕里斯是什吗表现?
A:帕里斯对赫克托尔的死的反应,和《魔戒》中莱戈拉斯对甘道夫和博罗米尔死时的反应差不多,他什么都没说,但是你可以从他的眼神中看出他是多么伤心。
??赫克托尔死后,帕里斯好像认识到了他都作了写什么,他在战斗中更有信心了,并且把事情掌握在自己手中,他变得更勇敢了。
Q:海伦的镜头多吗?
A:事实上不多,电影中没有几个海伦的镜头。第一个镜头是他们□□的在一起,之后是他们在屋里,帕里斯穿着长袍,我们可以看见他的胸肌(他们在那里秦文),最后是帕里斯在去找Briseis前与她吻别(他们之后说再见)除此之外,没有他们两个一起的镜头。
Q:电影中有神的角色出现吗?
A:我听说这部电影和《伊利亚特》联系的并不紧密。神被提到过,但是他们没有像在《伊利亚特》中那样作为角色出现在电影中。我没读过《伊利亚特》,所以我不知道这部电影与它的藐视是否一样。但是我荏苒喜欢这部电影。(请注意:外国人也不是人人都看过《伊利亚特》,也不是都在乎改编多少,我们就不用过早担忧了。)
Q:在电影中,海伦为什么要逃走?
A:开始,她想回到Menelaus身边,因为他认为如果那样做了可以阻止战争的发生,但是赫克托尔告诉她斯巴达人在任何情况下都回攻打特洛伊。于是,她回到了帕里斯身边,成为他永远的爱人,并且和他逃走了,这样他们就不会死了,斯巴达人也找不到他们。
Q:在预告片中帕里斯说:“Wewill be together in this world of the next.”是在什么时候?
A:是在特洛伊被攻陷,帕里斯在把海伦和赫克托尔的妻子送进地道后,去找表妹Briseis时。
Q:阿喀琉斯和Briseis相爱了吗?他们在阿喀琉斯被帕里斯射中,临死的时候说了些什么?
A:他们相爱了。阿喀琉斯没和Briseis说太多。他只是让她走,自己保重,他没有说他爱她(但你可以说他已经这么表示出来了)。但是Briseis不想离开,直到帕里斯对他说他们必须走了,她才离开。阿喀琉斯在她走后才死去的。

以下是英文原文,我在翻译时作了一些顺序的调整,所以与中文顺序不同,感兴趣可以看看,我尽量翻译准确了。
On Wednesday, March 10, 2004, I was lucky enough to see Troy for the first time. The first thing I have to say it that the movie is AWESOME! Orlando looks so good in this film (Eric Bana and Brad Pitt have some fines bodies too) and this is his best acting I have seen so far.
The film jumps right into the story. It tells the audience about the background of Sparta and the other reasons why they attack Troy (besides the obvious one). The film runs very □□oothly and the music fits perfectly. The story is focused more on Achilles and not so much Troy, but don’t worry, Paris is in the movie more than the last review mentioned. The fight between Hector and Achilles is one of the best fight scenes I have ever seen and the fight scene between Paris and Menelaus is also one to watch for (not giving away any secerets). Also, Orlando pulls some Legolas S T Y L E arrow shooting and he still does not miss.
About the nudity, there is more of Brad than there is of Orlando. Orlando is shown just enough to not show his whatsits and Brad’s rear is shown a few times. Oh, and Diane is shown from the waist up, but it is only for a split second.
All in all the film is EXCELLENT, the story is told wonderfully, and the acting is supurb.
I will be happy to answer any questions you have about the film. If you post your question, I will answer them as best I can.

Now, questions:
1. The Paris/Helen love scene...is it on furs???
2. When you mentioned that this is Orlando’s best acting so far, could you elaborate?
3. What are those hairclips in the characters’ hair?
4. Why don’t I have any serious questions???I think my brain is fried with all the Paris pics!

1. Sorry to say, there wasn’t a "love scene". They were naked, thats all. They were talking and Paris gave Helen a necklace. I don’t think that there were any furs on the bed.
2. I thought that the scene when Paris is fighting Menelaus was his best scene in the movie. Paris crawls to Hector and the fear in Paris’s eyes was so intense.
3. The hairclips in his hair are there for show; Hector has them too.
4. These ARE serious questions.

What?! No furs?! No making out like weasels in heat?! Rats!??
Another question, how sympathetic is Paris in this film. I gather he comes across as quite unlikeable at first but it seems as if the audience might gain a □□all measure of sympathy for him. At least that is the impression I got from some test screening reviewers.

At first, Paris isn’t liked much because he stole Helen from Menelaus. Then he is a coward in the fight between him and Menelaus, but in the end he redeems himself. He fights more.
Spoilers! Highlite to read.
Paris isn’t sympathetic towards Menelaus because Paris wants Helen for himself. The audience does begin to feel sympathy towards Paris because they know how much he loves Helen and the fact that he gets a beating from Menelaus.
Wait a minute. I feel like I should mod this.??
Now for a real serious question: Do we ever see Paris in a bath?
Actually, what I’d like to know is whether this feels like an epic? Does it feel like something that will be a classic?

No, unfortunately we never see Paris in a bath.
This would be considered an epic, but it plays out like a story. It is more about Achilles and what he goes through in his life. I would say that this wouldn’t be a classic because of who is in it; they are not really big Hollywood stars right now. Granted that Orlando is the IT boy right now and Brad Pitt is a well known actor, but they aren’t considered among the big names in Hollywood right now. Lets hope that it will all change in the future.
i have a question..paris doesn’t die or anything right??? because i saw some screencaps and it looked like he got stabbed with a sword and like fell to the ground..did he die or just get injured..??
Lucky lucky wotsit you! Thank you so much for coming and telling us about it. The part that you mentioned as being Orlando’s best scene is the one I guessed would be. I know that I will feel so sorry for him and yet so disgusted by him at the same time at that bit, I can’t wait to see it.
My question: How do you get to see movie previews?

Paris does NOT die in the movie. He is severly beaten by Menelaus, but he DOES NOT die.??
I saw Hidlago on Sunday, March 7 and a woman was passing out a flyer for a Sneak Preview of a movie. They can’t say what the movie is because then people would be biased toward the movie. I guess I was lucky that day.
Oh thank the Goddess! I don’t think I could handle seeing him die... Much releaved I don’t get to see Paris die in the movie! Thank you!
And I can’t say I have any questions as EL, Serein (your question about the bath nearly undid me btw - not sure I could live seeing that!??) and the rest have asked all the important questions. Thank you ladies and thank you for being able to answer them for us??

Everything that you see in the trailers is in the movie. The movie may change, like so many do, but for now what you see is what you will get.

unplugged32 wrote:
1- Is the scene from the trailer where Helen says ’They’re coming for me’ (Orlando in a black robe) in the film??
Yes, this scene IS in the movie.??
unplugged32 wrote:
2- Also wanted to know if that scene where Paris is in full armor and Helen appears to remove her dress is in the final cut?
This scene is also in the movie.??
unplugged32 wrote:
3- After the battle with Menelaus, is there a Paris/Helen scene (taking care of her poor, injured darling??) and if so, what takes place???
Unfortunately, there is not a scene like this. I wish there was.

There is a scene with Helen and Paris where they are both naked. You can see Paris just low enough to not see his whatsits and Helen is sitting on the bed. Paris gives Helen a necklace and when she goes to sit up, her right breast is shown for a second or so.

Elements wrote:
1. Do we get to see Achilles dragging the Body of Hector around after he has killed him?
Yes, this scene is in the movie. Achilles gets really angry at Hector for killing Achilles younger cousin, Particlus, so Achilles goes and fights Hector, kills him, and drags his body back to their camp.
Elements wrote:
2. Do we get to see the scene between Priam and Meneleus when Priam begs for his son’s body back?
Yes, this scene is also in the movie. But the scene is between King Priam and Achilles, not Menelaus (Menelaus is already dead at this point; he was killed by Hector). Priam sneaks into the tent of Achilles and asks him for his son’s body. Achilles hesitates, but gives Hector’s body to his father and before he does, Achilles cries over Hector’s body (probably because of the guilt and shame of everything and everybody he has killed). Achilles then, promises that the Trojans will have 12 days of peace for the funeral, but then the Trojan Horse is made and you know the rest of the story.
luv4ever wrote:
that scene that u said that she responded by taking her dress off like in the trailer is she literally naked, or is she and they just dont show it, or does she have something on after she takes off her dress.??

In the scene you are talking about Helen’s breasts are not shown, but in another scene after that.

I have to admit I am confused. Menelaus is killed by Hector? Now, it’s been awhile since I’ve read the mythology of the Trojan War, but I could have sworn at the end of the War, Menelaus was still alive and that Helen,using her wiles, concinved him to take her back, and because he loved her he did and they returned to Sparta?
Angel
You’re not confused, Angel! In Benioff’s adaptation, one of the biggest changes is Menelaus’ death by Hector.
In the myth cycle, Helen does return to Sparta after Philocetes kills Paris and one of the survivors of the sack of Troy, Aeneas, goes on to found Rome (well, the Romans liked the idea at any rate!).

Helen, Hector’s wife, Briseis, Paris, and others escape from Troy through a series of tunnels. It doesn’t say where they go, they just escape. As far as I know Paris and Helen remain together. Paris and Helen are still in love and they leave with the others through the tunnels.
The film ends after Troy is done burning; it doesn’t go into what happens after Troy in taken.
Paris’ reaction to Hector’s death is like in LOTR. Like when he sees Gandalf and Boromir die. He doesn’t say anything, but you can see that it hurts him in his eyes.
After Hector’s death, Paris does seem to realize what he has done. He becomes more confident in his fighting and takes things in his own hands. He becomes more brave.
Oh, and yes, Hector does kill Menelaus.
I hope that helps. Sorry it wasn’t so clear.

Not really. There isn’t much of Helen in the movie. There is the first scene when they are naked, when they are in the room where Paris has his robe on and you can see his chest (they kiss there), and they kiss when Paris is going to find Briseis (they say goodbye until later). Other than that, nothing really happens between them.

I had heard that the film is loosely based on the Iliad. The Goda are mentioned, but they are not characters in the movie, like they are in the Iliad. I haven’t read the Iliad, so I don’t know how well the movie portrayes the Iliad.
But, I still like it very much.

luv4ever wrote:
also people say that helen wanted to go back to sparta and that she tried to escape? but i would think since paris didn’t exactly take her against her will then i would think she loves him. also what about the part in the trailer where she said their coming for me.

Everything that is in the trailers, is in the film now. They might change things, like so many do. But for now everything you have seen so far is in the movie.
What you see is what you WIll get, hopefully.

Well, a week ago, I saw Hidalgo in the theater (good movie by the way). I went to go buy some food and I saw a woman handing out flyers. She said it was for a sneak preview. So, I got a flyer and it had a deX X X X Xion of the movie, but it didn’t say what it was (other wise one will be biased toward the movie). It said to R.S.V.P., I did, it sadi to show up on the 10 @ 6, and I did and it happened to be Troy.

that’s cool. did u have to pay?
No, I didn’t it was free.??. I was able to keep all my money.
Oh, yeah, the theater was full; there was no seat avaiable. I listened to everyones conversations (I know, I was evesdroping) and everyone said that it had to be Troy, they counldn’t think of anything else.

If I were to rate Troy, I would rate it R. It’s kind of on the border line of R and PG-13. If some scenes were taken out (i.e. Achilles and Briseis and some fighting ones), then it would probably be PG-13. But I don’t think they are going to do much of anything with the scenes. THey just have to work on the special effects.

in troy js, why does helen try to escape?
First, she tries to go back to Menelaus because she thinks she can stop the war if she does, but Hector tells here that the Spartans will destroy Troy anyway.
Then she goes back to Paris and becomes his forever and escapes with him so that they won’t die and the Spatans can’t find them.

Sorry, there are no loves scenes.
Just a scene where, if the bed or he moved, then everything in thr front would be shown (I was hoping he would move, but he didn’t??).
I was totally expecting a love scene too, but there wasn’t one. Darn!

DrEm314 wrote:
Aaaaa, whipped cream... chocolate... makes for some??"fun"??dreams.
Don’t forgot, though we don’t get to see Paris and Helen get down and dirty and !*$^%(%^ like animals, we do get to seem him n3kk1d! He’s down to his birthday suit and looking hot! Man has definitely been working out.

You can say that again!??
A Paris sundae would be mighty good right about now.

now that u have told everybody that u have seen troy everybody has been asking u stuff about, including me. sry. im just really in to it. and if its rated r i probably wont see it because of my parents. well i have one more thing to ask. when in the movie does paris say, "we will be together in this world or the next to helen." also are achilles and briesis in love? and what do they say to eachother when achilles is dying when paris shoots him? thanx
Well, when Paris says, "We will be together in this world or the next." is when Paris goes to find Briseis after leading Helen and Hector’s wife to the tunnels.
Achilles and Briseis ARE in love.??
Achilles doesn’t say much to Briseis. He tells her to go and save herself, but he doesn’t say that he loves her (but you can tell that he does) and Brisesi doesn’t want to go. Paris tells her that they need to go and Briseis does. Achilles is nice enough to die after she leaves.
I still am looking forward to the film, eventhough I’vw already seen it. I just can’t get enough of Orlando.??
The necklace that Paris gives Helen is made out of shells (I think). It has long thin ones (maybe 1.5")with □□all round ones seperating them. The long ones don’t go all the way around, there are maybe 8 or 10 of them. I’m not so sure about the neckalce because I wasn’t concentraing on that part, i f you know what I mean.
Paris Sundaes!??We all are going to imagine the cream and chocolate and cherries and strawberries at this point in the movie. I get more excited the nearer it gets. Counting down the days like this, better than waiting for christmas with your advent calender as a child. I’m also looking forward to Brad in this movie. Don’t throw rocks at me girls! I think he looks better in Troy than I have ever seen him.
Just think, if we are all this bad now, just what is it going to belike on this thread a couple of days before the big event and actually after we’ve seen it!!
№2 ☆☆☆风语冰音2004-03-27 00:43:01留言☆☆☆  引用


天,太感谢了。
不过,好像比我预期得要早一些。
不过,这样就可以证明小O的演技。放了一百个心。
开心。
№3 ☆☆☆隋枫2004-03-27 10:33:19留言☆☆☆  引用


☆☆☆风语冰音于2004-03-27 00:43:01留言☆☆☆??
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对了,这篇文章可以转载吗?
也想让大家看看这条新闻。
在http://www.lotr.cn/bbs/cgi-bin/leoboard.cgi
魔戒中文论坛
№4 ☆☆☆隋枫2004-03-27 10:39:17留言☆☆☆  引用


汗……已经看到大人搬过去啦。
不过,这是大人原创吗?好厉害的说……
亲(偶这就跟灌水没什么区别了,唉)
№5 ☆☆☆隋枫2004-03-27 10:46:29留言☆☆☆  引用


Thank you so much. We appreciate it.
№6 ☆☆☆lanlantoyou2004-03-27 10:47:00留言☆☆☆  引用


这是我翻译的,原作者已标明。我还翻译了同一作者写的特洛伊详细情节介绍,包括战斗细节、结局、一些对话等,但我不知道是不是应该贴出来,怕影响了观看时的新鲜感。想听听大家的意思,大家不想那么早知道剧情的话我就不贴了。
№7 ☆☆☆风语冰音2004-03-27 11:28:04留言☆☆☆  引用


暴汗,这个跟原著比改得也很多啊!Hector竟然被Achillis杀了??有点郁闷,其实本来不想看电影剧情的,一不小心点了进来,不过Paris居然没死,真是令人开心的消息,让我想到《水浒》里面燕青带着李师师泛舟而去,笑。
建议开个新贴,在标题上标明,这样就愿者入内了。
大人翻译辛苦了。
№8 ☆☆☆Kirsten2004-03-27 12:18:48留言☆☆☆  引用


楼上的大人,Hector在神话史诗中就是被Achilles杀的呀,
原著可能就这部分没改。倒是Hector杀了Menelaus原著中根本没有。
我也想新开帖子的,就是不知道版主同不同意。
№9 ☆☆☆风语冰音2004-03-27 16:57:57留言☆☆☆  引用


[灌水]如何去爱他
只是想把众多的无法表达的爱慕之情发泄出来。不只是我。不只是这里的人。
有时看到那张作为桌面的WALLPAPER,心里都会缓缓痛起来。因为他不在这里。因为永远不可能见到他。因为,爱他。
所以可以每日对着电脑的时候,也对着他静态的无比的美;每日关掉电脑的时候,摸摸屏幕,说---回见,亲爱的。
所以可以看无数关于他的流言蜚语,隐忍着不说话,无论心里是嘶叫着---不是不是,或者---我爱他我就是爱他。
所以宁愿痛也要知道他在做什么,他快不快乐;所以在看到他追求幸福时一边疼痛一边微笑。
所以自惭形秽,所以不追逐,所以痴,所以沉默。
所以看着他在无数有的没有的现代的古代的同人的爱情的场景里灿灿生辉,而不敢将自己想象为哪个他可能注视的人。
所以一直想为他写什么,却发觉什么都没有,语无伦次。
所以甘心在这虚幻的爱恋中执着,卑躬屈膝,低眉顺目。
所以无法将那个人与这个人分清,一并固执地认为他就是他。
只是胡言乱语而已,只是追着风,却无法为他大声歌唱。宁愿就这样被踩低到自卑的泥土里。
只是因为喜欢他。
?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? -----给大家的LEGOLAS·绿叶----洛泠
№10 ☆☆☆clover2004-03-28 10:35:18留言☆☆☆  引用


其实偶本来只稀饭阿拉贡滴,招不住网上铺天盖地的花痴的影响,偶~~~~~~~~~~~~~偶现在也去那些十几岁小孩子开的网站看PP了~~~~~~~~~~~
№11 ☆☆☆驼背五少爷2004-03-31 10:10:15留言☆☆☆  引用


今天找来Wilde看,终于知道为什么会找小O演里面一个角色了,啧啧,那里面一水全是皮肤白皙,身材纤细的小帅哥,有十几个,同人女的天堂啊。
№12 ☆☆☆青枚2004-04-05 17:46:36留言☆☆☆  引用


楼上的,你怎么那么逗啊,呵呵,你说话真有意思
№13 ☆☆☆Devil2004-04-05 22:01:36留言☆☆☆  引用


问个很弱的问题:
魔戒的DVD好像有D4,D9版本,什么是D4,什么是D9, 有什么区别呀?
№14 ☆☆☆meloy2004-04-06 23:30:25留言☆☆☆  引用



原文的链接
http://www.theorlandobloomfiles.com/articles/premiere04may.html
Troy, Premiere (US), May 2004

他们让Orlando Bloom做的事情看起来一点也不美。他不断地往满是墨西哥污泥和尘土的地方倒下。现在,正拍摄的是整个复杂故事里的转折点。他的角色,Paris,正和Brendan Gleeson的斯巴达王做殊死决斗。……“对我来说,”Bloom说“这一场是所有拍摄中最难的部分,因为我知道我最后会逃跑——蹒跚着爬回我哥哥的脚边,那是耻辱,是一个人物的最低谷。”
...
在布景重新安排的时候,Bloom站在了Bana身边,他们已经是好朋友了。“你看起来就像腿中间夹着个篮球,”那是Bana式的tough-love asses□□ent,对这个年轻人的小打击,“或者也许是个瓜。”“我的腿有一点弯,”Bloom很顺从,然后他对着Peterson很响亮地,但是很冷静地说,“我们要重来么?”
Peterson点了个头。Bloom斜了下眼睛,以表示他的问题很无关紧要或者说幽默:“所以,就是……演的……好点?”
"我能说什么?”Peterson回答说,他就算带着看起来懒遢遢的白色太阳帽也仍然掩不住身上优雅的大师气质。“就是做的不同点。”最后他终于找到了感觉:“好点。”
...
Bana,气势非凡的出场,34,需要一个弟弟,有和他一样轮廓分明的脸,但是要有和老兵不同的菜鸟气质——很冲动的爱上世界上最危险和美丽的女人。Bloom,25,刚刚以The Lord of the Rings:The Fellowship of the Ring里的英雄Legolas崭露头角,他还在Black Hawn Down里演了个小角色,一个从绳子上掉下来的游骑兵(很像现实生活,他自己也曾经从排水管上掉下来)——但其他方面他未经考验。在伦敦他和Peterson还有制片人Diana Rathbun见了面,Rathbun回忆说,“很清楚;他明白Paris内心的痛苦,你能在他说话时候在他的脸上看到,那是他的一部份。”
现在的形势证明他们非常睿智。在Bloom和Johnny Depp的暑期大片Pirates of the Caribbean上映期间(Pirates和每一部LOTR的北美票房都超过了三亿美元),所有网上的电影和fans网站都给予了他和Depp一样的关注。他的演员身份现在看来已经确立,而且,非常可能,继续下去;Troy之后,他还有至少四部不同风格的电影要拍,包括主演十字军东征故事Kingdom of Heaven,导演是Ridley Scott,Black Hawn Down的导演。
...
从拍摄之初,Bana就毫无怨言。他关注银屏上的兄弟Bloom“就像是真正的兄弟,”而且很高兴可以和传奇的O’Toole一起工作。“和你能感觉到真正友情的人一块表演……因为Orlando演我的弟弟,Peter演我的父亲,我和Peter有一些对手戏——真的很特别,”他说。
...
从Bloom和Bana见第一面开始——在伦敦的骑马训练中,他们就有了很多对这部电影的讨论(“two boys on their horses, talking about the adventure to come”,Bloom回忆说),然后是雪茄和更多的谈话——联系是如此明显。“我尊敬他,他是真正值得尊敬的人,”Bloom评价他的搭档,“就像Hector对于Paris,他是中流砥柱。”
在Bloom坐下说话的时候,他故意忽略右边大腿上化妆出来的巨大的伤口,他说“在看着我哥哥去打Achilles的时候我还要拍一些镜头。Hector是让人尊敬的,充满技巧的,勇敢的,强大的战士,你知道。但是Achilles是个杀手。所以当他去的时候——我要看着我的哥哥去做本来应该是我要做的事情。”
“对Orlando Bloom来说Paris非常不一样,”编剧Benioff说:“很显然他在The Lord of the Rings里是那种无所畏惧的英雄,自己跳上大象,往它的脑袋上射箭。但是这里,他要表现恐惧。我要替Paris说几句,我的意思是,我觉得我们中绝大部分人不会面对一个拿着锋利的宝剑,愤怒的大块头,想要我们死掉,因为我们偷了他的老婆。”
“在这部史诗般的,神奇的故事里,”Bloom说,“表现了很人性化的东西:愤怒,爱,恨,恐惧和所有让一个男人去战场,让一个国家去战争的东西。“
“作为一个年轻的王子,Paris被家庭和环境保护的太好了,”他接着说。“他是箭手,但那只是运动,而且他从来没有拿过剑。他依赖着作为战士的哥哥。他是个复杂的角色,不是英雄,黑暗的。显然从他做的决定里能看到他身上有很多缺点。”
...
Bloom必须朝着Pitt的Achilles射箭。“他是半神,史上最伟大的战士,实际我要这么做确实是个挑战——试着让观众明白角色行动背后的原因,使他们不讨厌他。同样的是Gladiator里的Joaquin Phoenix,贪婪,忌妒,欲望,想要不该得到的东西。Paris试着……”
Bloom因为一阵海风停了下来,伴随着的是金色的黄昏,从地面吹向他的尘土。之后是助理导演过来说他今天的拍摄可以结束了。一般这种情况下年轻演员会高高兴兴的回到拖车,或者回旅馆,奔向游泳池和啤酒,但是他很礼貌的跟我们打了招呼,然后走过去和Peterson告别。他看起来有点疑惑,但是导演只是回过头来,带着明显的喜爱给了他一个肯定的答复。看起来那是Bloom的风格,他轻轻的握了握Petersen的手。“A pleasure doin’ business with ya, boss,”他说。在穿过巨大的石膏建筑城门的时候,他继续说:“Paris是个年轻人,我也是个年轻人。作为一个年轻人,你要面对战场上的可怕命运。那是七宗罪,你知道,每个人都想弄明白那到底对自己来说意味着什么。所以那是挑战。”他顿了一下,看着我的眼睛以确定我是否明白,“但那是令人激动的挑战。”
Fin
№15 ☆☆☆mursili2004-04-07 01:15:17留言☆☆☆  引用



上面是偶翻译的,偶贴张图大家不介意吧
№16 ☆☆☆mursili2004-04-07 01:16:26留言☆☆☆  引用


上面是偶翻译的,偶贴张图大家不介意吧
☆☆☆mursili于2004-04-07 01:16:26留言☆☆☆
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这张又有些皱眉头的感觉。说实话我不喜欢Orli在POTC中总是皱着眉头的样子,不自然。后来在外面的一个讨论Orli演技的贴子上看到了相似的观点,只是这位老兄说,几乎每个演员努力表演时都会皱眉,只不过Orli的眉毛太黑太好看才会让大家一下子注意到,以至于被抓了演技上的小辫子,深以为然,哈哈。
№17 ☆☆☆金色润面霜2004-04-07 09:09:01留言☆☆☆  引用


Meloy: 魔戒的DVD好像有D4,D9版本,什么是D4,什么是D9, 有什么区别呀?
DVD牒市面一般两种:D5和D9(区别在于数据存储是单面单层或单面双层,单面双层当然能容纳更多的数据,因此可以达到更高的画面质量,所以D9牒质量更高 - 这番解释并不跟专业,但基本能理解了),没有D4这一说.你指的可能是魔戒DVD的4D9, 魔戒1和2都各推出了4张D9牒的DVD套装,这四张牒其中两张是加长版的正片,另外两张是花絮.你要想买,去音像店直接问人家有没有魔戒1或魔戒2的4D9就行了
№18 ☆☆☆wildflower2004-04-07 14:29:54留言☆☆☆  引用


Q:什么?,没有床戏?No making out like weasels in heat?!Rats!(这两句我是
不会翻译,那位大人指点一二,多些!)
"Making out" 是指包括法式亲吻,亲来亲去,抱来抱去,还有摸来摸去,但有没有
真正“making love”的一系列动作。 呵呵,我roommate(她是美国人)刚刚解释给
我听。
№19 ☆☆☆lili2004-04-08 00:42:11留言☆☆☆  引用


有个白痴问题,大家说的TROY是那个《HELEN OF TROY》??,那里面的帕里斯不是Bloom啊,我这个迷胡哦
№20 ☆☆☆求解2004-04-08 20:25:31留言☆☆☆  引用

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